PIT Report article (written by Joe Bonni, Associate Editor) A couple months back, I was at the Paradise. A double bill of Letters To Cleo and Smackmelon drew me there. Letters, headlined the night and as far as I could tell sold out the Paradise. Towards the end of their set the crowd, sweat soaked, was more alive than most of the hardcore shows I've been to. The kids pressed against the stage did their best to keep moving despite the crush, and at any given time there were several bodies surfing through the crowd - the majority of them female. "This is pop?" I asked myself. Kay Hanley, lead singer for Letters To Cleo, steps off the stage for a breather before their encore. She is covered in sweat, her pigtails droop a little, the expression on her face is one of exhausted satisfaction - a strange afterglow. She has seemingly given her all, but no, they return to the stage, a Nirvana cover follows, off Bleach, no pandering to the MTV crowd. The crowd looks almost as tired and pleasantly beat as she is. This was indeed an awesome performance. Anyone who may think there isn't energy and intensity in the alternative pop/rock genre didn't attend this show. When I tell Kay, a few days later, that we want to do a story on Letters, she seems a little stunned, and complimented. Considering their national status (big hit down at SXSW - front cover of Billboard magazine - recent signing to Giant Records -and constant national exposure and touring) I'm equally complimented that she's excited to have her band in this here rag. "But we're just a pop band. You want us in the Pit Report?" Yeah. Good music is good music. As the Pop issue fleshes itself out, Kay informs me that Dave Gibbs from the Gigolo Aunts is crashing at her place. The Gigolo Aunts are underground pop heroes. A slew of EP's and singles out over the last 5 plus years has garnered them both national and international airplay and notoriety. Their first major label release on RCA, "Flippin' Out" has met with virtually nothing but positive response and has also kept them perpetually on the road. Karma must be with us as I now have the opportunity to sit down with two of Boston's biggest and rising bands at the same time. I lug over a case of Black Label, a pack of cigarettes and my girlfriend, a grammar school and high school classmate of Kay's. Michael Eisenstein, lead guitarist of Letters and Steve Hurley guitarist of the Gigolo Aunts join Kay and Dave to fill out the roster. Conversation meanders for a bit and I realize how horribly naive I am to this particular genre of music, my girlfriend saves my ass a few times so I don't look like a total ignoramus, but eventually I have to ask; when current music is awash in crossovers and throwbacks, when industrial can be mixed with folk, when the kids are moshing to Letters to Cleo as well as Tree, what exactly is Pop music? "If Mikey Dee likes it, it's pop," answers Kay without missing a beat. Mikey Dee, the associate editor over at mother 'zine the Noise, may indeed be the Webster of pop music. It wouldn't be too far from the truth to say that the Pit Report was in part begun as a means to cover music that didn't fall into the pop/garage heavy slant of the Noise. So, why a year and a half later are we shifting gears? Well, for one, these two bands deserve it. Hard, persistent, dedicated work has given hem the opportunity to travel and play music for people who want to hear it. Not a bad life, and fer shur, these kids aren't getting rich off it. Dave's semi-permanent home on Kay's couch is testament to that fact. Dave sheds more light on Pop, what it is and it's importance... "Pop is short for popular music. It doesn't matter what it sounds like. Buffalo Tom is a pop band. Cheap Trick were a pop band. Husker Du were a pop band. The song is the main focus as opposed to say, a Nine Inch Nails where the sound is the thing." "No one else could define that better," states Kay. "I could not." "For me, " Dave continues, "It's not about being very progressive. It's more of a craftsmanship and that's also where the problem lies because you can get a lot of pop bands who are very crafty and good at writing structured songs but they lack... something. For a pop band to be good they have to have a lot of soul and passion . A band like Jellyfish ; they all sing, write really good/clever songs, but they miss that element of soul." "Passionless sound," Kay adds. "Another thing about Pop bands, is that we all have the same influences more or less," Steve, who has been listening to his bandmate pontificate on the merits of pop, adds his part of the definition. Michael sits next to Kay quietly. I think he was satisfied with the Mikey Dee litmus test - if Mikey's at a show and playing airdrums, it's pop. "But don't wear those influences on your sleeve so that when people come along they say, 'Oh that sounds like Badfinger, that song sounds like the Beatles.' "The biggest band in the whole world - ever - was a pop band." Steve's mentioning of the Beatles apparently prompts Dave to bring it way back, to the band that set up most of the rules for modern music. "Everything kinda' stems from that." Truth be known, whether it be in recording techniques or song structure. Rigid song writing or experimental music. Love songs or psychedelic trip-fests. Hard rock or ethereal background music. The Beatles set the early parameters that every band in Rock and Roll has had to either master, emulate, or destroy. Kay can't agree more, "The days have come where it's no longer such a horrible thing to say, 'I love the fucking Beatles!' I listen to them every day of my life and I'm no longer a pariah for saying that." Songcraft is the thing it would seem. Study the masters, and also what they wrought. Learn the technique and then bring yourself into the music... Mike finally speaks. "The thing that you add is not gonna' be an innovation. It's just that one thing that's in here," he points to himself. "That makes my music different form hers." The discussion goes on for some time revolving around similar points, but we seemed to have captured the essence of pop music, and what makes these bands tick. So often we talk of aggression in these pages, but sometimes not often enough about passion. So too could that be said about rebellion vs. discipline; much leaning should come before deciding what ideas to reject and what to accept. Musically, this genre can offer up the same integrity and intensity of our usual Pit fare, but instead of a primal scream, it is a well honed delivery. Such discipline would seem to have paid off for the Gigolo Aunts. For those of you unfamiliar with the boys, how about a little background... We're in the midst of the never ending tour, begins Dave trying to fill me in on what they currently up to. We put out our album on independent label, Fire Records over in England first. It came out last year. It was a good eight months before it came out over here so we've already been touring for eight months. We went to Japan, and Finland and all over Europe. Now we have to concentrate on touring hard all over America because the album just came out over here on a major (RCA - jb). In Japan were on a division of King records called Dog Style Records. King is a huge corporate label over there and they think Dog Style has something to do with surfing. Least one think that the Gigolo Aunts have completely sold out overseas, consider that their label mates on King Records are Babes In Toyland, Pavement and Teenage Fan Club. Their current tour in the U.S. (which had a date recently at Great Woods) has them on the road with Buffalo Tom and the Lemonheads. They're pretty huge rock stars, says Kay about her friends and the comment seems laced with both admiration and sarcasm at the same time. Michael Eisentstein provides a reality slap though, in the form of a review from Melody Maker... First the Gigolo Aunts take the stage and from the first note, I knew I hated them. And if that wasn't bad enough, they're from Boston. The English papers work a little different, explains Dave giving a little insight on how the scene works across the pond. They build you up really fast. NME (New Musical Express) and Melody Maker (the top two music rags in London) are in direct competition with each other. At first they might both like you but then they wait to see who makes the next move. NME put our single, Cope in their top 10 singles of the year, so Melody Makers says, NME loves em now, so it's our turn to dis em. Kay adds, It's especially true if you reek of major label bucks. This is what killed the band Eve's Plum over in England. Their first release over there was a major label release and they got absolutely destroyed by the press. It happens a lot. We think Indie credibility is bad over here, it's a hundred million times worse over there. Our plan is to re-release Aurora Gorey Alice on Cherry Disc with Giant Records helping John Horton from Cherry Disc work it. It's gotta be released Indie over there or you'll get demolished. Discussion then leads to the merits of Indie vs. Major. The ultimate decision that most musicians simultaneously dread and yet hope to be confronted with. Again, educating oneself before making hasty decisions is all important. Letter To Cleo's recent signing to Giant Records has indeed been the talk of the town, but the kids didn't go into this blindly. Stiffed - The Story of MCA- We read this book on our last tour. Michael Eisenstein begins as he picks up a copy of the book. Irving Asoff, the president of Giant Records, is often the topic of this eye-opening tome of the music industry's inside workings. Michael, paraphrasing from the book, [Irving Asoff] resigned from MCA after padding his pockets with twice the amount MCA profited in the last six years. Irving left them and in the fall of 89 was given 50 million dollars by Time Warner to start a new record label. he called it, Giant Records There's a quote from him in the book, Either I win, or I win. Rock and Roll rules. One would hope that Mr. Asoff will share his successes with the artists that he takes under his corporate wing, or as Ms. Hanley puts it, I had coffee with Irving for 40 minutes when I was in L.A. He's so fucking awesome. He's gonna ruin our life. I can't wait for him to destroy me. There is however a Yin and Yang situation with being associated with a major. Despite all the headaches that may come along with being product, there is a certain freedom that is enviable. In Dave Gibbs case, it is being able to promote other underground bands through his own local label, Summerville Records. We wear T-shirts from different Boston bands and try to plug them. We try to spread the word as best we can. Someday all this will come back to us. We love it here. I can honestly say, from being all over the world, that Boston has the healthiest music scene. Conversation begins to ramble a little as the kids begin to discuss Boston Rock champions, current and past; Smackmelon, Dambuilders, Flying Nuns, Tacklebox, Helium, Pods, Rag iron, Cave Dogs, Rain Dogs, Miranda Warning, Dumptruck, and of course, Scruffy the Cat. The one song I want to put out is, You Dirty Rat, by Scruffy, if I ever get the chance and money. As I sit here, writing and listening to the song, I would have to say Kay is absolutely right, so if Charlie Chesterman, Scruffy's singer and Boston Music mainstay, happen to be reading, give Ms. Hanley a call, will ya? Dave brings us out of our reverie by explaining the importance of what these band have done in respect to Letters and his own band's recent successes. We owe everything to Big Dipper and the Cave Dogs. Kay continues, It's true. All thesebands that came before us never had the chance to really go anywhere. Hopefully, someday Letters to Cleo and the Gigolo Aunts won't be added to that list, which also includes, Zulus, O-Positive, the Joneses... Even Tribe. Remember when BCN first broke bands like Dogzilla? These bands were so amazing and even Tribe just fell so flat. They made mistakes that were unprecedented. Dave finishes the thought, We were both so careful when we were signing to the labels. We saw what happened to bands like Big Dipper, Cave Dogs and Dumptruck (or to add a little Pit Perspective; Bullet LaVolta - jb). We were both so picky when we signed our deals. The apparent camaraderie between the two bands is not just a result of recent signings and success or a coincidence. They have been following each other's progress and lending a hand to each other for years now. As Kay and Dave were discussing the various pitfalls of Boston bands in the past, Michael had been rummaging around Kay's worthy record collection. He pulls out a Spanish bootleg of a Gigolo Aunt's single. I was a fan of these guys way before a friend. The first show I played with Cleo was opening up for the Gigolo Aunts. We were the first band, you were the last. You were the best band on the bill. I came to see you guys again a few months later at the Paradise. It was right around the time, Bloom (FNX beat the shit out of this song - jb) was about to come out. I went out and bought the single at Tower! About a year later I had met you guys a few times and our paths had started crossing a lot more. We started talking and you said, Give me a call, we'll hang and have a beer. I was all nervous. It was like a girl asking me out! That's cuz Dave's a rock star, Kay says while lighting quite possibly the hundredth cigarette this group has smoked this evening. Dave objects, There's not a bigger geek in rock music I Boston than me. And the sad thing is, is that Letters are a band that used to be able to open for us and now we'll be begging them for opening slots. The conversation begins to wander. And as soon as O.J. Simpson becomes the topic, I concede that I've milked these bands for all I'm gonna get. I mange a few parting words out of Dave. If you tour and you stick it out and have faith in your stuff, eventually it's gonna catch on. Kay completely disagrees. I don't think that's true. Many great, great local bands can't sell to save their lives... And so the conversation resumed. So perhaps we haven't uncovered the secret to Pop music but I'll leave it to the pros to figure out. Addendum: The night wound down, Dave and Steve depart, leaving Kay, Michael, Annette (my girlfriend) and myself. Kay points out the painting over her fireplace. My Dad worked in mental health. That painting was a gift to him form one of his patients. The patient was a murderer. A few questions later and she and Michael have pulled out their own personal library of material on Mass Murderers, Serial killers and their ilk. Underground magazines, books, photos. More information on the dark side of man then you can shake an AK-47 at. It seems that Kay and Michael share a penchant for this sort of thing. Call it a hobby, but maybe just maybe I have discovered the secret to all that happy pop stuff...